A CONVERSATION WITH LUIS MIGUEL ROCHA, AUTHOR
OF THE LAST POPE
Q: Does the P2 Lodge truly exist? And if
so, what facts do we know about it, and what did you create as a
novelist for the sake of this story?
A: P2 existed and still exists. All
details in the novel before and through 1978 are true, including
the names of the members and leaders of the lodge. Everything that
happens with Sarah Monteiro and Rafael, as well as the idea of JC’s
being part of P2 in the current day, is fictional.
Q: Several nonfiction books have
addressed the matter of whether Pope John Paul I was murdered. Do
you believe they raise valid questions? Did you draw on conspiracy
theories just to create a good thriller, or do you indeed believe
there was a plot to murder the pope in 1978?
A: John Paul I was killed on September
29, 1978, at 1:00 a.m. Not at 11:00 or 11:30 p.m. on September 28,
as officially stated. I’m sure of it.
There’s a very good piece (published and sold
together with this novel in Spain) by a Spanish journalist, a
correspondent in Rome, that recounts everything that happened that
night. It was because of this journalist that the story became
cloudy. He managed to speak with Sister Vincenza, the nun who said
she was the one who found John Paul I’s body, but the official
Vatican version was that Father John Magee, the pope’s assistant,
found him. And that version lasted through the 1980s, when the
Vatican confirmed that it wasn’t Magee who had discovered the body.
The Vatican ordered everyone involved to a vow of silence. Why
would they do that if there was nothing to hide? Because it was all
a setup. John Paul I was in fact killed. How do I know? The person
who killed him told me, and proved it to me.
The character JC in the book is based on a real
figure, John Paul I’s assassin, whom I knew as an Italian
ministerial assistant. In truth, apparently, he wasn’t. He told me
specifically that I should write a novel about the affair, because
we live in a fictional reality and we don’t know anything, even the
things we think we know. The Last Pope is that book.
Q: You were a child when Pope John Paul I
died, so it’s presumably not an experience you remember from direct
media reports at the time. Was there anything in particular about
John Paul I’s life and death that inspired the novel?
A: I knew about John Paul II and a little
Vatican history—not much, I must confess—but I didn’t know anything
about John Paul I until April 2005. It was then that an
acquaintance of mine, an Italian, told me how everything had
happened. Who Albino Luciani was, what he did that would lead
someone to kill him, why, when, how. Later I saw documents proving
what this acquaintance had told me (among these documents were the
papers that John Paul I had had with him on the night of his death,
which disappeared that same night). Sister Vincenza saw them, as
did John Paul’s close collaborator Don Diego Lorenzi, but they were
never found. Now, knowing a little more about Albino Luciani and
other facts of Vatican history, I’m glad I got in touch with that
world.
Q: An especially haunting character in
the novel is the mystic Sister Lucia de Jesus, one of the three
children said to have encountered the Virgin Mary at Fátima. She
was Portuguese, as you are, so was it a risk for you to write about
someone who is so revered in your culture? Do you think that the
secrets of Fátima are somehow linked to current events and
disasters, as the novel suggests?
A: There was more a sense of curiosity
here. A certain ambivalence surrounds the events of Fátima. We
believe in them, but we also know that Sister Lucia was totally
controlled by the Church. So some things are true and others
aren’t. Take, for example, the secrets. Some people believe that
the secrets were all invented by the Church to control the
population. And the revelation of the third secret by John Paul II
in 2000 left many disappointed. Most people don’t know that the
secrets were really written in 1941. I know for a fact that Sister
Lucia was a psychic and saw the Virgin many more times than people
think. It wasn’t just from May 13 until October 1917. The Virgin
appeared regularly throughout Sister Lucia’s life. What secrets did
she tell her? Only Sister Lucia and the Church, and a few others,
know. Perhaps I’ll write a book about this.
Q: The CIA and the Italian Mafia both
play roles in the intrigue around your protagonists, Rafael and
Sarah. Are these entities as central to Vatican politics today as
this novel suggests they were in 1978?
A: No. Now it’s completely different. You
need a unique confluence of factors for a nonreligious entity to
control the Holy See. That happened from 1971 until 1981, more or
less. And only in the financial department, not the religious.
Today it wouldn’t be possible. However, nowadays in the Vatican
there are religious organizations with more power than the P2
had.
Q: What has been the reaction to this
novel since its publication? Do people accept your narrative as
fact—as some have done with Dan Brown’s The Da Vinci Code—or
do they recognize it mainly as a work of fiction?
A: I receive e-mail from all over the
world. I have yet to get a bad review from a reader. Readers love
the story, the characters; they ask if the book will be made into a
movie, and they think it would make a great one. They want to know
more about the case, especially Italian readers. For the most part
readers accept everything as fact, even the adventure of Sarah and
Rafael. That’s a little odd.
I had a curious request last year for two copies
of the book in Portuguese, from a journalist who works in the
Vatican. It seems the copies were for someone important who sees
the pope every day. That person confided to the journalist, off the
record, that everything in the book is true. It’s good to know.
Though I do have my suspicions, I can’t say who this person
was—perhaps a cardinal or a bishop. There aren’t a lot of
Portuguese people in the Vatican. But it’s overwhelming to know
that they respect the work, and that’s the main reason the Church
hasn’t reacted or reacts with silence.